If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required to or
should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds, etc?

"fly low" > wrote in message
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> If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required to or
> should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds, etc?
>
>

A flight review consists of a minimum of an hour of ground and an hour of
flight instruction by FAR.

An instructor may conduct the flight review in any way he pleases as long as
it meets these parameters. I have known instructors who would not do a
flight review in less than 16 hours. It is whatever the instructor feels
comfortable in signing you off for.

The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as long
as the Pilot is current, correct?


"> ...
> > If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required to or
> > should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds, etc?
> >
> >
>
> A flight review consists of a minimum of an hour of ground and an hour of
> flight instruction by FAR.
>
> An instructor may conduct the flight review in any way he pleases as long
as
> it meets these parameters. I have known instructors who would not do a
> flight review in less than 16 hours. It is whatever the instructor feels
> comfortable in signing you off for.
>
>

"fly low" > wrote in message

>
> The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as
> long as the Pilot is current, correct?

Correct.

Now the question for you is: Why would you ask? Are you afraid of shooting
an approach or two with an instructor aboard offering constructive
criticism? I very much expected my most recent BFR to include approaches.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415
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"fly low" > wrote in
:

> The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as
> long as the Pilot is current, correct?

Whether you are instrument current or not has no bearing. What I care
about is whether you plan on flying IFR. If the answer is yes, then I
would insist on some instrument work during a flight review.

I have had a case where an instrument rated pilot had not flown IFR in
many years and said that he had no intention of ever becoming current.
In that case, I elected to not do any instrument work for the flight
review.

BTW, the phrase BFR is no longer used. It is Flight Review (FR).



>
>
> "> ...
>> > If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required
>> > to or should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds,
>> > etc?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> A flight review consists of a minimum of an hour of ground and an
>> hour of flight instruction by FAR.
>>
>> An instructor may conduct the flight review in any way he pleases as
>> long
> as
>> it meets these parameters. I have known instructors who would not do
>> a flight review in less than 16 hours. It is whatever the instructor
>> feels comfortable in signing you off for.
>>
>>
>
>

>I very much expected my most recent BFR to include approaches.

I don't. I use a BFR to do VFR flying that I don't nomally do, like
emergency work, spot landings, etc. I stay current in instrument flying
other ways. Just my 2c.

Not hardly! I ask because I did not find it in the FAR's. I thought I was
asking the questions!

> >
> > The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as
> > long as the Pilot is current, correct?
>
> Correct.
>
> Now the question for you is: Why would you ask? Are you afraid of
shooting
> an approach or two with an instructor aboard offering constructive
> criticism? I very much expected my most recent BFR to include approaches.
>
> --
> John T
> http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
> http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415
> ____________________
>
>

Thanks.

I personally feel that any FR of an Instrument rated Pilot should include
ground and flight IFR review.


"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
. 158...
> "fly low" > wrote in
> :
>
> > The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as
> > long as the Pilot is current, correct?
>
> Whether you are instrument current or not has no bearing. What I care
> about is whether you plan on flying IFR. If the answer is yes, then I
> would insist on some instrument work during a flight review.
>
> I have had a case where an instrument rated pilot had not flown IFR in
> many years and said that he had no intention of ever becoming current.
> In that case, I elected to not do any instrument work for the flight
> review.
>
> BTW, the phrase BFR is no longer used. It is Flight Review (FR).
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > "> ...
> >> > If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required
> >> > to or should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds,
> >> > etc?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> A flight review consists of a minimum of an hour of ground and an
> >> hour of flight instruction by FAR.
> >>
> >> An instructor may conduct the flight review in any way he pleases as
> >> long
> > as
> >> it meets these parameters. I have known instructors who would not do
> >> a flight review in less than 16 hours. It is whatever the instructor
> >> feels comfortable in signing you off for.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

> "fly low" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as
>>long as the Pilot is current, correct?
>
>
> Whether you are instrument current or not has no bearing. What I care
> about is whether you plan on flying IFR. If the answer is yes, then I
> would insist on some instrument work during a flight review.
>
> I have had a case where an instrument rated pilot had not flown IFR in
> many years and said that he had no intention of ever becoming current.
> In that case, I elected to not do any instrument work for the flight
> review.
>
> BTW, the phrase BFR is no longer used. It is Flight Review (FR).
>
>
>
>
>>
>>"> ...
>>
>>>>If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required
>>>>to or should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds,
>>>>etc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>A flight review consists of a minimum of an hour of ground and an
>>>hour of flight instruction by FAR.
>>>
>>>An instructor may conduct the flight review in any way he pleases as
>>>long
>>
>>as
>>
>>>it meets these parameters. I have known instructors who would not do
>>>a flight review in less than 16 hours. It is whatever the instructor
>>>feels comfortable in signing you off for.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

My last flight review consisted heavily of instrument work - and I'm not
even instrument rated yet.. (got sidetracked... will finish it VERY soon)..

The best I can tell there is no requirement for any specific curriculum
in a flight review, other than the "time requirements"

On 19 Jul 2004 02:57:03 GMT, Andrew Sarangan >
wrote:

>"fly low" > wrote in
:
>
>> The BFR does not have to include any Instrument Currency component as
>> long as the Pilot is current, correct?
>
>Whether you are instrument current or not has no bearing. What I care
>about is whether you plan on flying IFR. If the answer is yes, then I
>would insist on some instrument work during a flight review.
>
>I have had a case where an instrument rated pilot had not flown IFR in
>many years and said that he had no intention of ever becoming current.
>In that case, I elected to not do any instrument work for the flight
>review.
>
>BTW, the phrase BFR is no longer used. It is Flight Review (FR).

Just as "Oshkosh" will always remain "Oshkosh" and not "AirVenture" to
most of us, so to will the BFR remain a BFR, regardless of what the
FAA calls it.

It is after a flight review done on a biennial basis and technically
is a "biennial", flight review.

And as to the issue of instrument work, I'm not currently... current,
but I fully expect to see instrument work on the next BFR.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> "> ...
>>> > If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required
>>> > to or should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds,
>>> > etc?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> A flight review consists of a minimum of an hour of ground and an
>>> hour of flight instruction by FAR.
>>>
>>> An instructor may conduct the flight review in any way he pleases as
>>> long
>> as
>>> it meets these parameters. I have known instructors who would not do
>>> a flight review in less than 16 hours. It is whatever the instructor
>>> feels comfortable in signing you off for.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
. 158...
>
> BTW, the phrase BFR is no longer used. It is Flight Review (FR).

Wrong. It was always flight review. BFR, like FBO, does not appear in the
FARs. :-) There is no legal definition of BFR or FR. BFR is the commonly
accepted usage and will continue to be until it is required at some period
other than every two years.

Honestly, trying to stamp out "BFR" is as nutty as the attempt to
artificially restrict the definition of "upwind" to a special case was
awhile ago. It matters not that AIM shows a line labeled "upwind." As long
as towers and aircraft have existed, departing traffic has been referred to
as "upwind" by both towers and pilots.

fly low wrote:

> If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required to or
> should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds, etc?
>
>

Not required to, but it can't hurt! :-)


Matt

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:01:55 -0400, Matt Whiting
> wrote:

>fly low wrote:
>
>> If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required to or
>> should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds, etc?
>>
>>
>
>Not required to, but it can't hurt! :-)
>
>
>Matt

It's interesting that the minimum 1 hour is mentioned for the BFR.

I checked out in Honolulu in January (MY previous BFR was 1998 as I
have a UK licence which is current but not the FAA certificate).

Ground school was well over the hour as I needed to understand the
local procedures but the flight was virtually finished after 45
minutes. The instructor said we needed a little longer to be legal so
we will do some additinal steep turns and a second partial PFL to make
up the time!



David

E-mail (Remove Space after pilot): pilot

I always request that my FR be tilted toward IFR since that's where
I always need the most review work and I don't fly much IFR.
It's my attitude that the FR is the opportunity to spend time with
a CFI to improve my flying. So why not work on that which I'm
the least proficient at?




"fly low" > wrote in message
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> If you are Instrument Current and due for a BFR, are you required to or
> should you also be tested on Instrument Approaches, Holds, etc?
>
>

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> It matters not that AIM shows a line labeled "upwind." As long
> as towers and aircraft have existed, departing traffic has been referred
to
> as "upwind" by both towers and pilots.
>
>

They have? I always thought that was the departure leg. And likewise I've
always thought that "upwind" is the opposite side of the runway from
"downwind".

> The best I can tell there is no requirement for any specific
> curriculum in a flight review, other than the "time requirements"

From FAR 61.56:

The review must include:

(1) A review of the current general operating and flight rules of part 91 of
this chapter; and

(2) A review of those maneuvers and procedures that, at the discretion of the
person giving the review, are necessary for the pilot to demonstrate the safe
exercise of the privileges of the pilot certificate.

OtisWinslow wrote:
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> It matters not that AIM shows a line labeled "upwind." As long
>>as towers and aircraft have existed, departing traffic has been referred
>
> to
>
>>as "upwind" by both towers and pilots.
>>
>>
>
>
> They have? I always thought that was the departure leg. And likewise I've
> always thought that "upwind" is the opposite side of the runway from
> "downwind".

Nope he's right. Upwind is the same as departure but I hear upwind used
more, much more. If I need to refer to someone flying the upwind leg
but on the dead side of the pattern then I have to explain that. "He's
upwind, north of the runway."

>. I have known instructors who would not do a
>flight review in less than 16 hours

He is milking the pilot big time

So again.. nothing SPECIFIC... just discretion and general rules..

Dave

Barry wrote:
>>The best I can tell there is no requirement for any specific
>>curriculum in a flight review, other than the "time requirements"
>
>
> From FAR 61.56:
>
> The review must include:
>
> (1) A review of the current general operating and flight rules of part 91 of
> this chapter; and
>
> (2) A review of those maneuvers and procedures that, at the discretion of the
> person giving the review, are necessary for the pilot to demonstrate the safe
> exercise of the privileges of the pilot certificate.
>
>
>

On 19 Jul 2004 23:44:14 GMT, (Hankal) wrote:

>>. I have known instructors who would not do a
>>flight review in less than 16 hours
>
>He is milking the pilot big time

That goes wayyyy beyond milking <:-))

OTOH the pilot may have been incompetent. Some do lose their
judgemental ability, but there is still no reason for the BFR to go 16
hours. If the pilot were that bad it would be quite evident and it
then would become "remedial training", or just plain dual.

If an instructor really goes in for a 16 hour BFR it's time to run the
other way and find a competent instructor.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Hankal" > wrote in message
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> >. I have known instructors who would not do a
> >flight review in less than 16 hours
>
> He is milking the pilot big time

I did not say they were good instructors.

Roger Halstead > wrote:
> If an instructor really goes in for a 16 hour BFR it's time to run the
> other way and find a competent instructor.

I've done long stretches of instruction (10+ hours) that ended in the
student getting a flight review endorsement, but usually in the context
of learning some new skill. For example, my club requires a 10 hour
checkout for our retracts. At the end of that time, I sign the person
off for both the club checkout and BFR (and, if appropriate, a
complex/high-performance endorsement, and maybe an IPC too). I suppose
by some narrow definition, you could call that a 10 hour BFR.